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How can humans evolve fast enough to keep up with technological advances?

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The human race has, by all accounts, failed to find any effective way to keep ahead of our technological advances. Every day we hear of more cases where, despite FDA testing, drugs that have been approved for human use turn out to have unexpected and often tragic side affects. More and more we hear about the poor results people are getting using genetically altered seeds. We read constantly about the "greenhouse effect" the emissions from our industry is causing, and its dire anticipated effects for the future. In South America, the rainforests are being destroyed apace, while here in the US, the government wants to put oil wells in protected areas. In some parts of the world, people are starving just because they tried to be progressive and use these new, improved seeds. Back during the cold war, "nuclear overkill capacity" was a catch phrase, and we read about having 112 times enough nuclear weapons stockpiled to destroy the entire world. In mid-December, 2001, President Bush unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, citing our need to "develop new ways to protect our people." This, when we already have an ability to destroy humanity 18 times!

Ok, that's enough examples. My question is simply this: What can we do to help the human race evolve faster? The public schools in this country are barely able to produce a majority of kids who graduate from high school able to read and write (if they ever want to, that is). How do we teach people to think? How do we teach them that new is not necessarily better? That it is really not necessary to have every new toy the neighbors have – and, more importantly, how do we learn to evaluate the possible impact of these toys before we purchase them and put them to use? How do we teach our young to appreciate the complicated interactions between living things, to realize that when there are no more trees, there will be no more us? How do we teach them to think, period?

I am really serious about this question, because I am unable to come up with any ideas that will help on a large scale. All comments will be much appreciated. Because if we can't make some giant steps fast, I foresee a short and uncomfortable future for the human race (that's why I'm Cassandra, of course)!

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{"commentId":98205,"authorDomain":"ghoststudent"}

Well, the main problem might be, that there is a powerful elite out there who is not interested in getting the masses educated. I'm not a conspiracy theoretician but I think it's a well known fact that dumb people are easier to controle and to manipulate (read for example C. Wright Mills' ). So the first step would be to think about power. Who owns the power, who rules the system? Who is interesting in changing the world into a better place and who is satisfied with the status quo?

The public schools in this country are barely able to produce a majority of kids who graduate from high school able to read and write (if they ever want to, that is).

And why is that? I mean the States are a rich country they could build a better public education system - if they want. But obviously they don't.

How do we teach people to think? How do we teach them that new is not necessarily better? That it is really not necessary to have every new toy the neighbors have – and, more importantly, how do we learn to evaluate the possible impact of these toys before we purchase them and put them to use?

Well "having every new toy the neighbors have" is an important factor in capitalism. Without consumption the system wouldn't work. Having two cars even if one would be enough, having a Blackberry even if a normal mobile phone would do it, buying a new plasma-TV even if the old one still works fine, driving a SUV while a normal car could do the same job. We are living in a culture which defines consumption as a central value. If you call that into question you should call the capitalist system itself into question.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:27 PM EDT
{"commentId":98350,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

OK. I'm calling it into question, at least as it is practiced in this country. So, the question still
stands: how do we change the values of the country? How do we accomplish change in the
schools? How do we get kids to understand that they have an investment in the future in keeping
technology under control so the world can survive? You and I are obviously in the same place,
but what I need and you need and we all need are practical suggestions to try to change things before it is too late! Hope you have more ideas than I do.

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  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":99058,"authorDomain":"mogmismo"}

We have the historic evidence of poorly applied technology, being over 125 years into the industrial revolution, yet we glaze over these facts in our history and science classes. We are neglecting history in our misconceived idea that the three R's (which should really be R,W and A) are more important. Giving children a little historic evidence of our successes and failures would be a nice first step.

As someone that works with technology everyday, I'd have to say that you are right, that's where we put our emphasis. We put computers in the hands of young students hoping somehow that they will educate them for us. A good first step would be to rip out all computers from K-8 grades, and only teach programming (logic) with them in 9-12. Otherwise, you are right, the children will see them as toys, not tools.

Now here's were I may loose a few of you capitalists out there; Our goal should not be to give the newest cool toys to everyone who has enough cash in hand, but to provide the basics of life, food, shelter and clothing at such a low cost that it's practically free. Then the things we begin to value will be the custom, handmade with care and craftsmanship. We are on the verge of being able to mass produce the world's needs without upsetting the environmental balance, we just need to shift our wants to those things that have real, long term value. Do you want a bigger television or a hand crafted to your specifications masterpiece mantle piece? (Remember, a basic television is so inexpensive, it's almost free)

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  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":99120,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

I may have an idea that will help. Stop watching CNN and FOX media broadcasts and any similar. Burn Hollywood to the ground. Bulldoze Vegas into a pit and bury it. Stop your children watching the Disney channel and make them learn something useful. Understand the nature of advertising. That is they are trying to sell you a concept not the specific product. Example you need whiter cloth's The same 2 or 3 companies own all soap powders so why would they care which one you buy. They want you to feel inadequate for not having or by appealing to standards of personal hygiene. That's where I would start.

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  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":156666,"authorDomain":"rossgram"}

Yes.

Like I Spy says: stop believing what everyone says.
Get away from "media" as we know it.
Think for yourself.

Simplify.
Want what you have.
Need less.

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  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":4757430,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Russ, I haven't watched tv in years, and I have made needing less into an art form.  Yet, as a retired person I am still having trouble paying my basic bills.  The problems in this country are myriad, including incredible inflation for the most basic services.  I hope someone smarter than I am (Obama team??) may come up with some answers.  Else I fear we will self-destruct.

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#1.5 - Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:30 PM EST
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{"commentId":99053,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

This is a tricky question you are broaching, because unlike many of the issues put forth here on Newsvine, you are asking about how to change the fundamentals of our society, rather than how to fix a specific issue. But perhaps, this is the real question which needs to be asked, rather than all the smaller ones, which would fall into place if this larger one could be addressed.
I think the first answer to your question lies within all of us. Mother Teresa once said (I am paraphrasing), "You want to know how to change the world? Go home and take care of your children." Each one of us has to model the change they want to see in the world. Do it proudly and clearly, without hiding behind a mask of acceptablilty for others, and with respectful answers ready when others question your choices. If you have children, show them what it means to live a life full of meaning, and talk to them and their friends as if they were real people, so that they can understand why you make the choices that you do. Give people something to believe in, especially the children, so that they will object to disappointment.
Secondly, use your individual strengths to change the world. Everyone is different. I spent years wallowing in my own "helplessness", because I am not a "group" oriented person, and the idea of joining an organization that tried to change the world gave me the heebejeebies. But I do o.k. with writing, and one day it occurred to me that I could do that, instead. So I started writing letters to politicians, papers, anything that would sit still long enough to be inflicted with my opinions. Sometimes I feel that these efforts have been effective, sometimes not, but it's all worth something. Some people are group people, and I am so glad they are out there. Some people can teach, and love to do so. Some folks are good organizers, and can get movements going with just a few posters and a benefit concert. Whatever your strengths are, put them to good use to help get alternative viewpoints out there. No matter how small the issue. Changing one person's mind about something small may have long term effects that you cannot even imagine.
Thirdly, stop being afraid. Do your research, find out how little there really is to be afraid of, and refuse to let other people's fear-mongering pass you by. The system in which we currently live thrives on fear, and fear is easily replaced by knowledge. Encourage others to counter their fear with a few minutes of research. Everyone benefits from this. And never, ever let your fear stop you from speaking out about things you feel are wrong. Lastly, support the alternatives. There are many businesses out there, and for every one which is destroying the future with their short-term profits, there is another providing the same goods and services in a way which is more responsible. In a capitalist society, this does make a difference. And while I agree that capitalism is a system which will eventually destroy itself, we may as well work with the tools at hand. The more the responsible businesses succeed, the more the others will come around in an effort to compete. Don't give up hope. Change is always slow, and the larger the paradigm, the longer it takes to change it. Every little thing makes a difference, and the children are always watching.

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  • 14 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:39 PM EDT
{"commentId":100209,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

Celestina, you're exactly right! I'd add that every interaction with another human has the possibility of being positive or adding to the stock of fear and insecurity circulating, so you have to walk the talk as much as you can. Every small piece of humanity and compassion helps, since like breeds like, if you see what I mean.

Oh, btw, you're Cassandra if

  1. You predict doom.
  2. No one believes you
  3. You're right.

Plus, it helps to be the King of Troy's daughter, but apart from that you're on track ;)

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  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":4757494,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Thank you, Martin!  There is something very comforting about predicting doom and nobody believing you, even though you are right.  I keep wanting to predict something else for a change, but I don't much care for lemonade, and I can't figure what else to do with all these lemons.

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  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:34 PM EST
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{"commentId":99103,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

I agree with Celestina this is a tricky Question. How to answer it without creating 100 new questions is hard. Humans have reached a point in their evolution where it is no longer possible to evolve any further by natural means. The brain size has reached the physical limit of the females reproductive system. That is women can't give birth to babies with heads larger than they are now. Medical science has removed the random element from our lives by providing drugs for all manner of maladies, so random mutation is out. We construct our world around our physical abilities, and our climate is artificially stabilized (Air con) so adapting to environmental change has ceased as we control our environment

it may be necessary to use technology to push the envelope of evolution in our favour but the idea of some sci-fi horror flick turning into reality is something I do not wish to speculate on.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":99302,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Well, it's worth bearing in mind that it appears that we do not use all of our brain capacity. Perhaps there is a possibility of evolution coming about by learning to use more. After all, evidence seems to indicate that the first advancements in primate tool using happened before the brain increased dramatically in size, and everything else followed after. Many of Rhine's experiments at Duke seemed to indicate that perhaps we do have senses which function all the time, out of our conscious awareness. There is plenty of experimental and anecdotal evidence which indicates that we can increase our awareness, re-train our brains, even in advanced age. Certainly a population educated by television and the mass dumbing-down of our educational system is not working in this direction (although the ability to focus on twenty-million disparate images in a few seconds may have interesting results), but as individuals we can strive for this.

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  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:05 AM EDT
{"commentId":170190,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

Human physical evolution ended at the same time as we developed technology. Cultural evolution took over with knowledge of farming, medicine, weapons, and tactics deciding who lived and who died. Why is this a problem? It's great. We don't need bigger brains to be able to 'act smarter', we need better computer networks that we can tap into and ask natural human language questions of. We've already entered the age of the cyborg. Millions of americans have pacemakers, artificial joints, and advanced prosthetics. Check out this article about an advanced bionic arm controlled by the nerves in the patient's chest. In fact, in the near future, it is cultural evolution as represented by the technology of genetic engineering that will begin directly controlling physical evolution. I'm very excited about that.

One of the things I most look forward to in the future is seeing what comes out of the transhumanist ideas that are out there - transhumanism is focused on the 'post-human' future when man and machine are merged. Transhumanism is all about expanding human capacity beyond our historical limits. From the FAQ:

(1) The intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally improving the human condition through applied reason, especially by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.

(2) The study of the ramifications, promises, and potential dangers of technologies that will enable us to overcome fundamental human limitations, and the related study of the ethical matters involved in developing and using such technologies.

Sorry Celestina, but the oft-repeated adage that we only use 10% of our brain is in fact not true. We don't understand how the brain works, but it is all used for something. What's exciting to me about the future is the possibility of being able to directly enhance that capacity with neural implants.

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#3.2 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":170704,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Brian, what you are talking about is Heinlein and all my other favorite science fiction writers rolled into one. I hope that the "ape-men" types who are ruling the world right now don't manage to kill us all off before we have a chance to live in that exciting new world you are talking about. This comes back
to the basic problem I see. People like you are really excited about the future. People like our
President and his staff are playing war games from the Middle Ages, but with bigger and better weapons that are likely to kill us all off before we get a chance at the exciting new world you foresee.
What on earth can we do to get the couch potatoes who are sitting there absorbing the very expensive advertising sound bites they play out on the news each night to realize there are better alternatives than simple greed out there? That there is a better future than trying to rule the world and its resources for our own purposes?

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  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":171139,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

It's not quite true that we've stopped evolving 8000 years ago when agriculture became the norm. Any situation in which a lot of people die is a good chance for evolution to happen, and that especially means disease and war. I have this feeling that we're evolving super immune systems (having lived so close together since the population skyrocketed) [ps: see Jared Diamond: Guns Germs and Steel for his take on this] and the skill of staying out of the firing line in a war situation. Maybe that's why US wars tend to be fought by poor black people (not all of them US citizens) rather than those rich whiteys: evolved cowardice.

Rereading this comment I think I'd better make something clear - any suggestion that white people are more evolved than blacks is simply stupid, and my lighthearted comment above should not be taken that way. It's probably true that the populations with the biggest death/birth rates over the last 8000 years have had the greatest (but still small) genetic change, but to then assume that this was race based would be absurd - there are greater changes within populations than between populations as it's easy to tell by thinking about it for a moment.

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  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":171492,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

No we didn't stop evolving completely due to pressures from natural selection, but it's become a much more minor driver. One of the drivers that's become much larger is intermixing of gene pools that used to be separated by distance. This has unleashed a huge amount of mixing of genes never seen before. And this mix is largely free from the genetic pressures of dying before reproduction can take place. It's just a new situation as far as physical evolution. When/if (probably when) humans start tinkering with their genetic code directly though, that will be a quantitative change in evolution, where genetic change is consciously chosen rather than arising through mutation and the like.

Cassandra, I just don't see it as a likely outcome that we're all going to be 'killed off' any time soon. Even if we had a war that killed more people than all the wars in history put together and we managed to kill off like 2 billion people, the human race would be in little to no danger. It would be a terrible tragedy for the human race, but still recoverable. And I personally don't see that coming any time soon. The most important thing we can do here in the US to change course is to convince the public that the idea that they have to choose only between a Republican or a Democrat is a lie. Greta put together a graph of everyone's results on the political compass quiz, and I asked her to superimpose where the different candidates for the last presidential election were (at least Kerry, Bush, Nader, and Badnarik). She responded here with a link that had the candidates on the graph too. The overwhelming majority of the respondents were in the liberal quadrant. Kerry was not. He was in the conservative quadrant with Bush, though not as conservative. Yet the overwhelming majority of liberal respondents didn't vote for Nader who actually represented their views, but for Kerry, who didn't. Vote your conscience and your beliefs, not for the lesser of two evils. That's my only advice.

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#3.5 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":172576,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

The same thing happens in Australia with truly liberal candidates, as opposed to the conservative "Labour" party. My view is that the progressive voters make a huge mistake voting for the Labour Party (to stick with the Aus example) because it encourages them to move to the right. Since they're not losing their left voters by doing so, they take the opportunity to pick up right wing voters by moving into their territory - squeezing their opponents out to the right.

The only solution is to do as you suggest Brian. Vote for what you believe and you keep all the progressive parties honest.

Mind you the biggest problem is that the media represents the centre as wacko-leftie, because its editors, commentators, and especially owners are so far out in the top right corner.

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  • 2 votes
#3.6 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":172842,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Brian, I certainly hope you are right. However, too many countries, incuding our own, have too many nuclear weapons. If a couple of those were exploded, we would be, if not wiped out, certainly morphed into a very different world with very different sorts of people -- many of them sterile, if I've got my facts right. I know most of you younger folk have lived with the background terror of nuclear disaster for so long you just tend to discount it, but some of the saber-rattling in the Middle East right now really scares me.

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  • 4 votes
#3.7 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:12 PM EDT
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{"commentId":99423,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

So, we should teach our children to be suspicious of advertising and its attempt to manipulate us.
What about teaching them basic logic? Any ideas about how to get this info into the tv stream or
something, so that it might reach today's adults?

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:06 AM EDT
{"commentId":99538,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

Basic logic, Fasinating, could this be introduced into games perhaps. I don't have an answer for the grown ups, I'll ask my mom :)

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  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":99590,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

While where on this topic I'll share something with you;
Just over 15 mth's ago at xmas the family had gathered and whilst talking about children's tv (the grandchildren were there) the disney channel came up. The topic was centred on the movies/ serials for teens. The conversation went between the recurring theme of the anti-heroine princess and how it is offensive to people who are for and against Monarchies, to the shallowness of going weak at the knee's at the sight of designer label's and shopping spree's when my 78 year old Aunty chimed in and said "no it's actually more insidious than that, it proves women really are the evil manipulative creatures we always knew they were and that justifies their continued oppression throughout the world" which certainly livened up the conversation. Made us all think.

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  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":100210,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

There was a game we had around the house called Propaganda which they still make, amazingly. Good education.

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  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:43 AM EDT
{"commentId":100283,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

Very cool game

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  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:05 AM EDT
{"commentId":100381,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Nifty. We don't have this game, but have always played a similar game with our son, anyway. We don't have t.v. service at home, but whenever we encounter commercials (at friends' houses, hotels, or (god help me) restaurants with t.v.'s) we analyze the commercials and see who can name the marketing technique first. We also do it will billboards, magazine ads, and so forth. My son thinks it's hilarious. Sometimes we even slip into making up ridiculous commercials for products we make up, too.

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  • 6 votes
#4.5 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":100383,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

I must try that.

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  • 2 votes
#4.6 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":170671,"authorDomain":"ooble"}

Buy your kids a Nintendo DS and a copy of Big Brain Academy each. They'll thank you for it. :-D

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  • 2 votes
#4.7 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:17 PM EDT
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{"commentId":99627,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}

I think the crux of the problem is that we are not all evolving at the same rate. Much of the world's population (and most of its leaders) still think and act much as our cave-dwelling ancestors did. A few thousand years is a very short time in evolutionary standards, after all. The slightly more advanced among us are responsible for the leaps in progress which are poorly utilized or even misused by the rest. Often their talents are recruited or conscripted by the alpha dogs of modern society who are almost by definition less evolved. This is why so many technologies are first developed in military applications.

Evolution is not a leisurely, gradual process. It involves "critical masses" and quantum shifts (the "hundredth monkey effect"). The question is - how do we jump-start the process? Education is not enough. Education imparts information and teaches skills but can't bestow insight, creativity, and wisdom. What is needed is an almost global shift in awareness. I don't have a clue what could bring that about..

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  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:24 PM EDT
{"commentId":170200,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

What do you mean by one person being more 'evolved' than another?

By the way, the hundredth monkey phenomenon is another myth: http://skepdic.com/monkey.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_Monkey

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#5.1 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":4757614,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Walt, it occurs to me that the quantum jump you are talking about is more likely to occur when children spend time with their parents or other caring adults.  Perhaps the atavistic turn in much of our society is related to the need for so many adults to have two or three jobs just to survive, and "latchkey kids" raising themselves?

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    #5.2 - Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:46 PM EST
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    {"commentId":99830,"authorDomain":"praetor605"}

    I do not think that the term "evolution" is the correct one to use in this case. Evolution does not have a goal in mind and thus people are not "more evolved" than others. Nor do I believe we are entirely outside the realm of evolution as a force driving humanity. Most of the problems and questions that are brought up in this article seem to involve a better system of education. An early emphasis on critical thinking and skepticism in school would help immensely. There are always going to be people below and above average in intelligence (obviously) who drive or hinder human progress. An educated populace will be more likely to produce educated children who can handle the complex world around them.

    Also, it seems many of these problems mentioned originally are not really about humanity trying to keep up with technology. Genetically modified seeds are immensely successful and have saved millions of lives, so if a few areas have low yields or problems, then we go back to the drawing board. The same is true with many human drugs on the market. Every human is different and unexpected results are to be expected, which is why the FDA exists in the first place (though large amounts of money can influence the system unfortunately). Environmental awareness is almost certainly at the highest level in human history, and is turning around in many places (but is it to late?). These, as well as several other points, are not about making humans "evolve faster" (whatever that might mean) but rather constructing a more efficient way of governing ourselves and interacting with our world. Sometimes governments, even democracies, are the last ones to understand an issue, so how can the people try and change that? How do we balance capitalism with helping those in need? How do we keep governments, economics, and even ourselves in check? These are all questions that have more to do with our cultures than evolution.

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    Reply#6 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:02 PM EDT
    {"commentId":99889,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

    I think you have made some good, solid points. This is sort of an aside, but many years ago I worked with a political scientist who was writing a book that compared our system with the British.
    One thing he ended up suggesting was that all of our ballots should give us the option of "none of the above." He thought if we turned down all of the candidates offered, the parties would have to
    come up with better candidates. Is this possible today, or would the major parties and their
    advertising firms come up with sound bites to kill the idea?

    While we are struggling with your other questions, do you think Celestina is correct that our
    democracy will self-destruct before we can make enough changes in the current system to
    matter (at least, that's what I think she was saying)?

    I have a beautiful, frighteningly intelligent grandson, who is only eight. I do not want him to
    have to live out his life in one of the horror scenarios that I keep reading about. I want to
    do something now; but I really don't know how to start.

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    #6.1 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:09 PM EDT
    {"commentId":100157,"authorDomain":"praetor605"}

    I am not sure what the future of our (I assume this means USA) democracy has in store. Unless a very momentous event occurs (a nuke going off in a major city for example), I do not think our democracy will self-destruct, but may rather decay slowly. An interesting question to ask is if our democracy is actually becoming worse. Now while I believe it is, what were people back in the days of "political bosses" thinking and were they asking the same questions?

    I believe that the populace at large is aware of the problems in our government (regardless of party) and are becoming more and more "fed up" with it. I believe we are witnessing a growing movement in the US that began around Watergate, and that movement wants change in our government. It is a slow process but no matter who you talk to, everyone can agree that something needs to be done. This movement will manifest itself in many ways but if the clamor becomes loud enough, large scale change can occur. The good thing about democracy is that it can be changed by the will of the people, if enough people stand up. This is where education comes in, because a more educated populace is more likely to ask questions and see where changes need to be made. We will not always agree with what needs to be done, but the debate is sometimes the most important part of the system. I know this may all sound like a naive civics lesson, but it can happen and probably will.

    As for capitalism, I am not sure if it is doomed for self-destruction either. While it has numerous problems, it also has a fair number of advantages. Most likely it will change just as technology changes, eventually evolving into a new form of economics that is radically different but still retains certain elements of the original ideas.

    So our problems can be solved, especially through education, and technology will be there every step of the way. The solution starts at home with children and then branches out into the community all the way up to the national level. As much as I hate cliches, one person can really change the world and every child needs to be taught that.

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    #6.2 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:01 AM EDT
    {"commentId":100294,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

    The impression I get is that people around the world still cling to the hope that the American people (based on their rhetoric) can turn this situation around. The mistrust is in the fed. Much of the world does value the possible contributions that may be made in the future by an American style Judicial system, the fed is seen as a rebel, a break away faction if you will, this is the target of the "terrorists"
    However I do not wish to see the U.S. people harmed in a it was worth it (Albright) scenario.

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    #6.3 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:21 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":100391,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

    When I was posting about the Propaganda game that Djheuty mentioned above, I was reminded of an article I read several years ago (I think it was in Wired) about the Amish. The Amish, it explained, are not entirely opposed to advanced technology, they just want it kept firmly in a place where it cannot interrupt or detract from more important things in life. For example, family meals. How many times have you sat down to dinner with your family, whom you have not seen all day and with whom you would really like to reconnect and share the day's events...just to have the phone ring right when the first conversation gets going. At which point, even if you are a person to whom such daily rituals are important, you will answer the phone ("It might be an emergency!") or everyone pauses in their conversation to wait for the answering machine. So the Amish communities have phones, they just keep them in a seperate building out away from their houses, so that they won't cut in on more important things. Likewise, in the Waldorf pedagogy, unlike most of the rest of the educational movements in this country, no t.v.'s, computers, etc. are brought into the classroom until the children are teenagers. Rudolph Steiner (who founded Waldorf education, and was a man of many rather unusual beliefs) believed that technology, when presented to very young children, was such a powerful force that the children would come to be subservient to it, rather than recognizing it as a tool of which they were in charge.
    My point here is that perhaps in this "evolution of consciousness" which we are discussing, part of the solution lies in our understanding the place and limits of technology. It is our servant, not the other way around. We can turn off our phones, have them serve us rather than feeling victimized by them. We can choose our exposure to the media and consciously choose what we do with it. We can use the medical technology available to us, when we decide it is what we need, and walk away from it when the risks outweigh the benefits. In this country, we keep waiting for the latest, greatest thing to solve all our problems, and when the latest technology arrives we scramble to get it like junkies. This does not have to be so.

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    Reply#7 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:24 AM EDT
    {"commentId":170224,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

    If this is your worldview, then great.

    My personal obsession is how we can transform the human experience through technology. But given that we're at the beginning cusp of being able to do so, I do waste a lot of time on dead-ends. I pay attention to how technology can expand my self and offer new virtual communities, rather than buy in to the master/servant dichotomy. I'm neither master nor servant of my arm or my brain, they're a part of me, as is my cell phone. There are several people who've had the Verichip RFID chip implanted in their body so that they can hack their home appliances to respond to their presence - door unlocks when they walk up to it, lights come on in the room when they enter, things like that. I just find it fascinating.

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    #7.1 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":4728227,"authorDomain":"wallemalemon"}

    technology has the ability to make us dependent on it, Brian....you're not a child any longer, so you don't worry so much, because our your personal perceptions have matured.  Sad thing is, I know people get used to this technology, and when it is gone, they don't cope very well... We live in an artificial enviornment that, should it be disrupted severely will be the death of many an unprepared man

    I believe that technology, like any tool...like a car will expand your horizons, but possibly at the expense of your physical activity..possibly at the expense of your ability to survive such a fragile state as many people are in, health-wise...

    then , there's the social aspect of our exixtence... are we sacrificing our personable natures to these techy intrests that fully consume some of us ...at least...???  Your next door neighbor....what is his name???  There may come a time when it is wise to know such things....

    i say yes, we're evolving, in an artificial enviornment....beware our isolation from one another...and, of course, mother nature...

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    #7.2 - Fri Jan 9, 2009 7:44 AM EST
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    {"commentId":100570,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

    Well, I am impressed by the depth of the discussion so far, but it seems to center on raising kids
    right. Does anybody have any idea how we can get thru to the couch potato voters who seem
    to imbibe their ideas from the latest sound bites?

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    Reply#8 - Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:15 PM EDT
    {"commentId":4761173,"authorDomain":"wallemalemon"}

    idea how we can get thru to the couch potato voters who seem
    to imbibe their ideas from the latest sound bites?

    I'm reading 'Clan of the Cave Bear' for the first time, and...though it's historical fiction, it is a plausible scenario, for how 'tradition' can get in the way of reason..... I find the heroine suffering from the same frustrations and limitations that America was founded in order to free.....those, who, in the natural course of their lives, protect and enrich the 'clan' at their own peril...because they go beyond their calling and position...tradition creates absolutes, and stagnance is the by-product...but it's so very much easier to 'lead' those who are taught the false values of conformity in all things.....are you listening???   ....so many neandrathals.....so few cro-magnons

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      #8.1 - Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:44 AM EST
      {"commentId":4766178,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

      Lovetrust, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I loved Clan of the Cave Bear, partly because it made the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons seems so understandable -- so much like us.

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        #8.2 - Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:48 PM EST
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        {"commentId":156669,"authorDomain":"rossgram"}

        This point seems slightly flawed.

        How can humans keep up with technology?
        Aren't humans developing technology?

        Perhaps technology is how humans are evolving currently?
        We'll never know until we can look back from our futures and determine where we were.

        For now, is it conversations such as these that create some issues?
        Instead of talking about living, and worrying about what we need, desiring what we think we want, we should just live.

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        Reply#9 - Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:53 PM EDT
        {"commentId":156960,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

        Well, I am basically in sympathy with your main point; we should indeed live and enjoy it if we can.
        However, it bothers me badly that, as the few scientists move us further and furhther into the future,
        the main body of the people, unfortunately including the governmen in most cases, remains somewhere in the last century. They don't expect to understand; they never question; they just
        reach out to snatch the next offered 'goody' without question. I guess technology is the way we
        are evolving at present; but 75-80% of the people are making no effort to understand what is
        going on. The FDA approves drugs without intensive research into the results of testing, or we
        wouldn't have the Viox thing. We decide a mutated seed is good, and send it as relief to areas
        where it causes chaos. I know, we can always learn from our mistakes. But is there no way we
        could get far enough ahead to anticipate them?

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        #9.1 - Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:01 PM EDT
        {"commentId":156966,"authorDomain":"rossgram"}

        We are the them you hope to anticipate.

        Fellow Newsviner, Buss, had a great topic a few weeks ago: The Government or Our Government?

        I highly suggest it.

        Verbalizing ownership of a government or an action is the first step in becoming a maker of change. I'm starting to sound like a self-help book.

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        #9.2 - Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:09 PM EDT
        {"commentId":4787889,"authorDomain":"wallemalemon"}

        .....maybe we ought to remember to take manners, and love and ethics along with us.....there is no point in all this advancement if we forget that we are in need of each other....is that what you refer to as 'living'?? .. then I'm with you....Love doesn't get said enough....

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        #9.3 - Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:54 AM EST
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        {"commentId":168050,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

        Classandra I just got a comment in one of my posts Here I need help I dont know how to respond.

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        Reply#10 - Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:58 AM EDT
        {"commentId":170063,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

        I just posted a response. Unfortunately, I was late noting your message. There are already
        some good ones on your post, I think.

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        #10.1 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:51 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":170079,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

        What can we do to help the human race evolve faster?

        Simply slow down and focus on the important things. There have been great advances in gadget technology, but our (as you pointed out), huge flaws in education. We concern ourselves with Brad and Angelina's baby and what is the deal with TomKat, but have lost family values when it comes to ourselves, and we push to look into the sky when we haven't figured out how deep our ocean really is... focusing on where we are now will make the path for the future that much more clear and it seems to me that we don't care about the past, only with the now, which ironically is overshadowed by the tomorrow.

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        Reply#11 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:59 PM EDT
        {"commentId":170149,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

        Nicely put, Shawn. Almost poetic. And very true.

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        #11.1 - Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:35 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":172079,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}

        Fascinating discussion, I agree with Brian White that biological evolution is less imperative than cultural or political or for want of a better phrase 'humanitarian evolution'.

        I'm also personally exited about the increasing ability we have to both grow our own organs and integrate ourselves with tech that, carried to its conclusion, makes us 'post human'

        But the question asked as I see it is a practical one, what can we do now to help ourselves collectively advance as a species.

        If there were a way to secure the internets future such that it could not, by design, be taken down. (and I'm aware of swarming and other peer to peer options and live in the hope that that will come to pass)
        Then I would be more confident that our 'humanitarian evolution' would be simply a matter of time.

        I believe it revolves around communication, we used to talk to our families, workmates, our own kind so to speak. Cultural differences were borders only a minority ever passed freely and cultural borders have always been an effective tool to be politically exploited.

        The internet began in the same way, effectively cataloguing cultures.

        It seems to me, and this is obviously entirely speculative, that, even though it serves a minority of humanity and is fairly embryonic in its development, the internet culturally has just begun to move from being used to reinforce particular cultural identity, towards a slightly more sophisticated and curious mode in which opposing cultural identities are engaged. (newsvine case in point)
        This breaks down a lot of preconceptions and this phenomenon, if able to expand alongside the expansion of its userbase, could be the key to circumnavigating present Machiavellian based political systems.

        Somewhere or other recently had an 'Orange revolution' a mass of people with similar goals used a color to identify themselves and in so doing broadcast both their political will and their sheer size enough to attain their political goals which were the death-knell of the political status quo they opposed.

        I think I'm about done. However I'll just add that i think children at heart have a certain sense of 'pan humanism' that, being culturally irrelevant, withers.
        If this could be rekindled somehow and communicated then we would be a force, if large enough, to be effective.
        Theres an individual I came across here at newsvine, not the type of person i would normally come across (although i am lucky to come across a great many types internationally) Shawn Gorden. He wrote a piece about himself and towards the end he listed 'lesser know facts about me' one of the more startling for me was 'I love you'
        I've never met the guy but for some reason I was convinced that he in fact did.
        Thats what I mean by communication.

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        Reply#12 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:57 PM EDT
        {"commentId":172082,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}

        Shawn, I had no idea you were above my post. and sorry i spelt your last name wrong.

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        Reply#13 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:58 PM EDT
        {"commentId":172648,"authorDomain":"ejronin"}

        LOL...it's perfectly alright and understandable. You spelled phonetically - if you had said it, you'd have said it right. Just think of VODKA - really, really bad vodka. As for the comment itself - thank you very much.

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        #13.1 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:28 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":172866,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

        Hey, Cowboy, what a lot of good stuff in one comment! I agree with you about the internet and Newsvine. With most of the press now controlled by outside interests, this is definitely the hope for the future.

        And I loved the "Orange Revolution" idea. Surely we ought to be able to do things like this from time to
        time.

        I am wondering if you have any ideas about how we can go about rekindling panhumanism -- in such a fashion that it might eventually "trickle down" to the couch potatoes?

        Oh, and I have also read Shawn's biographical piece, and I believe him, too!

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        Reply#14 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:28 PM EDT
        {"commentId":181653,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}

        Well a couple of things have cropped up since I last posted that have hopefully the tiniest bearing on possible changes in what I see as our social evolution, encompassing political, tech, global empowerment.
        Firstly, Homeless bloggers.
        http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71153-0.html
        and here
        http://thehomelessguy.blogspot.com/

        There's also a new brazilian wifi thing that allows people to link up and transmit further an original wifi signal

        But rekindling panhumanism, it would have to be done fairly quietly, it's bound to threaten many.
        I'd suggest some type of easily recognisable kindness, able to be carried out by those with little as well as those with much. Sharing meals perhaps, cooking and offering food is one of our oldest rituals.
        I'm sorry I should give this more energy I will get back to it but trivia calls.

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        Reply#15 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":181815,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

        Thanks for that idea on rekindling panhumanism. There is a clerk in the warehouse I supervise who,
        with his wife, cooks and serves a meal for the homeless population in our town once a week through
        a local multi-church group. I think they buy the food out of their own money. I have always admired that. But I assume you have in mind somehow reaching multiethnic groups within your area population?

        By the way, I love the idea of homeless blogs. Will check them out!

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        #15.1 - Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:57 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":182482,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}
        What can we do to help the human race evolve faster?

        Oh I know!

        We clone the perfect human with the perfect DNA to take whatever concoction comes out of pharmaceuticals, we create a biological Programmable Logical Control, that allows our children to download knowledge endlessly.

        O let's go and evolve!

        Evolution anyone?

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        Reply#16 - Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:09 AM EDT
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